The idea for this blog post was born during the week of MVP Summit at Microsoft in Redmond (March 5-9). I realize that depending on who you talk to they have different point of views on things. The view on “co-management” is a great example.
The purpose of this blog post is to present the options that exist for organizations moving to modern management. “Co-management” is the door opener and path for moving to modern management.
Why modern management?
Modern management is what I would say moving away from on-premise dependencies, creating a more flexible and mobile workplace and more cost-efficient management of Windows devices. This means doing things in new smart ways rather than keep doing them as you’ve done them for the last “100 years” or so. Why would you stop doing what you are doing and start doing things in new ways? Well, one is to save time for IT as well as end users and as time is money, you will be able to reduce costs in your organization. It’s also about not reinventing the wheel, which is what basically every organization is doing today in some sense.
Some practical examples is doing a F12/PXE deployment of machines as soon as they come in to the organization. Think new, and stop doing reference image building and stop certifying hardware and use modern deployment tools such as AutoPilot and Intune to save time and modernize the deployment process.
Another example is that you can reduce complexity and remove infrastructure, say for instance patching. Dismantle old WSUS servers and do patching via Windows Update for Business, which means relying on existing Microsoft infrastructure rather than downloading everything from Microsoft, approving patches, distributing patches etc. Again, do not reinvent the wheel and repeat what Microsoft is already offering in terms of infrastructure.
There are many more examples but I think you get the idea of modern deployment and management, stop doing things the way you’ve always done them and think new.
Introduction and definition of “co-management”
At the Microsoft Ignite conference in September 2017, Microsoft announced what is called “co-management”. “Co-management” is the first and fundamental step on the way to modern management to be able to use existing Windows devices and configuration “as is” but at the same time add a modern management tool. After doing that you can start the switch to modern management, as the switch to the modern world will not be done overnight for most organizations.
Now, “co-management” means different things to different people. My view on “co-management”, regardless if the customer is using ConfigMgr or not, is to keep your Windows client “as is”. With that I mean Active Directory joined and configured via GPOs and then adding MDM-enrollment to that to be able to start doing new configuration via MDM. For the sake of making “co-management” clear I’ve chosen to divide the customers into two, the ones with ConfigMgr and the ones without it.
And as a note, the MDM tool to use for modern management is preferably Microsoft Intune (part of the Enterprise Mobility+Security suite).
My idea is that once you’ve decided to go down the path to modern management – no more and I mean no more work whatsoever should be put into adding new stuff to your legacy solutions. That includes not making scripts, configuration and applications deployed or configured via on-premise Active Directory or ConfigMgr. Instead, you do this in the modern management tool (if possible). Focus one hundred percent on moving the current resources to the modern management world instead!
The ultimate goal which is something to strive for, is fulfilled when configuration, patching and applications are managed by a modern management solution, and there are no dependencies to on-premise resources such as ConfigMgr, distributions points, GPOs etc.
Do I believe this goal can be achieved regardless of organization and size? Yes. However, there are many challenges on the way and it will for sure not be easy nor quick for many organizations. For many organizations, it’s going to take years but for smaller organizations I see great possibilities to reach the goal on a much shorter period of time.
One of the biggest challenges in the modern world lies with applications. In the best of worlds, applications are moving away from using Kerberos or other traditional authentication mechanisms, as well as legacy code or runtime requirements. Instead rely on modern authentication and preferably OAuth 2.0, providing means to further remove dependencies to on-premise Active Directory at the same time enabling possibilities to use conditional access for instance.
Application strategy moving forward is a separate chapter and I will not cover that more in this blog post. I will solely focus on the deployment of the applications, as this is very much relevant in the various “co-management” scenarios.
Current applications, that is traditional and legacy applications packaged as MSI or in EXE format, needs to be replaced, reworked or repackaged. Today, repackaging can be done by repackaging to the AppX format. Popular packaging software like AdminStudio has had this capability for several years but if you want a free option look at Advanced Installer which also has the capability to package apps in the AppX format.
Regardless of the option you choose below for “co-management”, moving to this new packaging format is the way to move forward. At least for the option which is customers with no ConfigMgr, moving to this new package format is a requirement because there is no good way of deploying the applications unless you move to this new package format.
Note: MSIX is a new packaging format to come, as published on GitHub: MSIX Packaging recently, but for the moment AppX is the way to proceed until Microsoft eventually publish more information on MSIX.
Customers without ConfigMgr
Option 1 (the only option for customers without ConfigMgr): Hybrid joined machines
(on-premise Active Directory joined + Azure AD registered/joined + GPO to set MDM auto enrollment)
If you do not use ConfigMgr, to activate “co-management” all you have to do is to make sure that your Windows 10 clients (1709 and later) are configured with the GPO setting to enable automatic MDM enrollment.
After that, start to move the GPO configuration over and add new configuration to MDM instead of using GPOs. Dismantle local infrastructure such as WSUS and start relying on Windows Update for Business. Also, look into AutoPilot.
Note: For hybrid joined machines it seems that Microsoft has not yet made (as of March 2018) it possible to be able to run PowerShell scripts via the Intune Management Extension. This is a very sad limitation because that means you have no way of deploying scripts for filling in the gap on current limitations of MDM, as you move to modern management.
Customers with ConfigMgr
Option 2: Hybrid joined machines (with Co-management in ConfigMgr unconfigured)
(on-premise Active Directory joined + Azure AD registered/joined + GPO to set MDM auto enrollment + ConfigMgr-agent installed via ConfigMgr)
This option mean you just connect your Windows 10 clients to your MDM solution with the GPO setting to enable automatic MDM enrollment, then stop doing what you are doing with GPOs and ConfigMgr today and instead do that in the MDM solution. This is the least effort option where you try to touch the ConfigMgr solution as little as possible and instantly just start the move away from ConfigMgr. This option is more suitable for smaller and rather simple ConfigMgr environments.
Option 3: Hybrid joined machines (with Co-management in ConfigMgr activated)
(on-premise Active Directory joined + Azure AD registered/joined + co-management activated in ConfigMgr + ConfigMgr-agent installed via ConfigMgr)
I suppose you can say that this is the true “co-management” in terms of what Microsoft would describe it as. This is the recommended way for most organizations that want to start the journey to modern management.
Option 4: Cloud joined machines (with Co-management in ConfigMgr activated)
(Azure AD joined + MDM joined + ConfigMgr-agent deployed via Intune)
Well this option is a good one but as the devices are not connected to an on-premise Active Directory, it requires that you have moved all GPOs and have managed to provide access to all on-premise resources for users when they are outside the company network. This option is more for future use, although this option might be good for some customers already.
Note: Even though devices are not connected to the on-premise Active Directory, they are able to use single sign on to access recourses on the internal network such as printers, network shares and other resources in the Active Directory domain. This is true as long as the device is on an internal network and has contact with an on-premise domain controller, where a Kerberos TGT is issued for accessing on-premise resources.
How to activate “co-management”
Option 1 and 2
For options 1 and 2 you configure your Windows devices and set the GPO “Enable automatic MDM enrollment using default Azure AD credentials” to Enabled. The GPO setting is located in Computer Configuration > (Policies) > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > MDM.
Option 3 and 4
The Microsoft Docs is the place to go to activate “co-management” in ConfigMgr. This includes the optional agent deployment via Intune.
Verify MDM connectivity and that your Windows clients are being “co-managed”
1. Dsregcmd command line
Run the following command to see if your devices are connected to Azure AD:
The value for AzureAdJoined should read YES and MdmUrl should be set to for instance https://enrollment.manage.microsoft.com/enrollmentserver/discovery.svc
2. Modern control panel “Access work or school”
To check if the device has registered properly with the MDM tool you can also look in the modern control panel “Access work or school” (located in Accounts). Click any of the Windows logos or the briefcase and if you have the Info button you know that you have an active MDM enrollment for this device.
3. In the GUI of the MDM tool
Of course, the device should also pop up in your MDM solution and in Intune it will display as “MDM” is the device is Azure AD joined with MDM enrollment and it will show “MDM/ConfigMgr” if you are using ConfigMgr (or using option 1, that is not using ConfigMgr but still activating MDM enrollment for hybrid joined machines).
AzureAdJoined = NO
If AzureAdJoined is NO when you run “dsregcmd /status” then your devices have not registered with Azure AD which is required to be using “co-management”. Check the following:
1. Check Event Viewer and the log Applications and Services Logs > Microsoft > Windows > AAD > Operational. Optionally go to View and click Show Analytic and Debug Logs to get additional logs, and in AAD get the Analytic log which you must Enable before it will start logging.
No automatic MDM enrollment is made
If the MdmUrl is empty when you run “dsregcmd /status” and there is no “Info” button in Access work or school, then verify the following:
1. Make sure that you are using Windows 10 v1709 or later.
2. (Option 1 and 2) Verify that the GPO with MDM enrollment applies to the device.
3. (Option 3 and 4) Verify in the CoManagementHandler.log that CoManagementSettings_AutoEnroll equals True.
4. Verify that MDM automatic enrollment is configured in Azure AD, i.e. Azure Portal > Azure AD > Mobility (MDM and MAM). Also check that the user is covered by the MDM User Scope.
5. Verify that the user logging into the machine has an Azure AD Premium license assigned.
6. Check Event Viewer and the log Applications and Services Logs > Microsoft > Windows > DeviceManagement-Enterprise-Diagnostics-Provider > Admin. Optionally go to View and click Show Analytic and Debug Logs to get additional logs, and in DeviceManagement-Enterprise-Diagnostics-Provider get the Debug log which you must Enable before it will start logging.
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